Saturday, May 02, 2009

Is Bea Arthur also Jane Ross?

Bea Arthur is dead. OK, I can accept that, though I hesitate to say that when I was 15 I had a slight thing for Maude. Can't explain it, but I recall that I responded to her regal self-confidence, snarky attitude, and... tallness. She'd have made a good Hera. So when other actors were interviewed about her death, Leonard Nimoy stated that he had met Bea when she had acted in an episode of Star Trek and that he remembered her as being a very nice person.

Huh? I didn't recall Maude traipsing around in the 23rd century! She was not listed in IMDB as having been on the series, so I searched the mighty Web and found an article by Joseph Stevenson at Answers.com that stated she'd acted as "Jane Ross" in Rocket Attack U.S.A. and Light Fantastic. Sure enough, IMDB states that Jane Ross was in both those movies and played Tamoon, Chekov's drill thrall, in Gamesters of Triskellion. Rushing to my complete set of pre-remastering Star Trek DVDs, I fast-forwarded to the scene where Tamoon enters Chekov's cell and talks to him.

Chekov's reaction was similar to mine (I remember the same feeling from 40 years ago: is that a chick or a dude?). Watching the scene, I noticed that her voice was even deeper, as if it had been processed or she was trying to sound weird. However, some words sounded distinctly Arthurian in their inflection. In addition, her chin and earlobes matched photos of Bea Arthur. Jane Ross's nose, though, seemed sharper in certain angles than Bea Arthur's, though I only had more recent photos of Bea by which to judge (age adds cartilage to the nose). Bea Arthur is 5'9" and Walter Koenig is 5'6", yet Tamoon appears to be shorter than Chekov in the scene (he might have been standing on an apple crate). In this photo, she appears to be shorter, but she's in flats and he's in boots and she's standing further back than he. Nichelle Nichols is 5'5" and seems to be about Tamoon's height in this photo, but she's in her Starfleet uniform, which included very sexy high-heeled boots. (Now if you want to talk about major things, I definitely had one for Lt. Uhura!)

It's important to note that IMDB is usually very good about attributing pseudonyms to actors. If Bea Arthur were widely known to be "Jane Ross", she would have been noted in her Bea Arthur listing as having been in that episode "(as Jane Ross)". However, the Bea Arthur and Jane Ross entries are not correlated in any way. In addition, there is a date of death for Jane Ross of 6/27/85. And she's listed as being born 10 years later than Bea. Interestingly, Golden Girls premiered in 1985, so Jane Ross's date of death could be an inside joke (i.e., no need for her now that Bea had a second hit series).

So what's the story? Was Leonard Nimoy misremembering Jane Ross as being Bea Arthur? Was Answers.com mistaken? Bea Arthur denied being in Star Trek in 2001. Was she lying to protect her opinion of her reputation? I haven't been able to locate the two old movies to see if Jane Ross (sans thrall makeup) looks and sounds like Bea Arthur circa 1960-ish. I found a copy of Rocket Attack U.S.A. on eBay, but the postage from Australia is prohibitive. So until a local copy is available, the mystery continues...

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Check out 09:40 !! It is an interview with Bea Arthur from 2001.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jfUTcx7OU&feature=related

Bea Arthur states that she was in Star Trek but denies using the name "Jane Ross".

Let me know what you can gather from this.

Anonymous said...

On second analysis, I believe Bea thinks the interviewer is discussing Star Wars, which she was in the Star Wars Holiday Special in 1978

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jfUTcx7OU&feature=related

In the article you posted, perhaps Bea is referring, when she says that someone recently mentioned that to her, the link I posted above.

Victor Koman, PhD said...

The genesis of this mystery was Leonard Nimoy stating that she had been in an episode of Star Trek. That's the statement I find most tantalizing. Bea may have felt the need to lie about being Jane Ross, but Leonard Nimoy has no reason to lie about Bea being somewhere she wasn't. Nor is it likely that old age would cause him to remember something that had never happened. In fact, it would be highly illogical!

Anonymous said...

Hey Victor!

Have you heard anything new concerning this? There seems to be a few more posts on the internet about this, but it doesn't seemed resolved.

Victor Koman, PhD said...

I bought a copy of Rocket Attack U.S.A. to see the role of "trucker's wife" that "Jane Ross" played, but the entire shot of her was from the back of her head as she runs to the truck and begs him not to go. And her voice sounds dubbed! So I'm calling this one inconclusive. Now I have to find Light Fantastic to see if there's something more discernible.

Anonymous said...

Have you tried to check out the episode of the Frank Sinatra show when she was on?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000Z6MJ44/ref=sr_1_olp_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1266632496&sr=8-4&condition=new

Maybe that disc has it?

Light Fantastic seems impossible to find.

Victor Koman, PhD said...

The Frank Sinatra Show ran for several episodes, but the DVD is only one disc. It's unlikely that it would have her on it and is probably just Frank's performances. The hunt continues!

Greg said...

If you look carefully at the features of both women, it should become obvious that they are not the same person.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps Bea did indeed do Tamoon's voice, but she was too tall and too pretty to actually play the part on camera, so they cast a different actress (far more matronly than Bea) and dubbed the voice in. Bea's voiceover, like many voiceovers of the day (including sung ones like Marni Nixon's turn in West Side Story) went uncredited. That would affirm Nimoy's memory of meeting Bea, as well as supporting the theories of those who notice Bea-isms in the inflection, while still allowing Bea (and IMDB) to be truthful in telling us that she never worked under the name Jane Ross. Just a theory!

Anonymous said...

Hi Victor,

I just came across this picture.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/american-singers-belinda-burrell-nancy-sinatra-and-beatrice-news-photo/3201100?axd=DetailPaging.Search%7c1&axs=0%7c3201100%7c0

Note the caption.

It was referenced in this very odd exchange from 2005 (see about 3/4 of the page down or search for Bea Arthur)

http://sinatrafamily.com/forum/frank-sinatra-tv-43/frank-sinatra-show-1957-1958-a-15583/index2.html

bthath said...

no, they are not the same person, and no, Jane Ross's voice was not dubbed - Nimoy probably met her on the Paramount lot somewhere, and is mis-remembering about her being in a Star Trek ep